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No topic has as much confusion attached to it than the issue of going to, and paying for, post-secondary education. I scratch my head because it seems like such a straightforward thing. You want to go to college or university, you save the money, pay your way and go. Failing that, you get a job and pay as you go. Failing that, you get scholarships. Failing that you get student loans.

What I see happening as young adults head off to the halls of higher learning is a default to the “student loan” option right off the bat. Student loans, it seems, are the only way to get through school. You can live on them. You can drink beer on them. You can parTAY on them. And it doesn’t matter how much you borrow, because you’re getting an education and that’s all that matters.

So how come I see so many people with an “education” and the debt to go with it earning $10 an hour in call centres, retail stores, and wherever else these educated debtors end up. And how could you ever imagine that if you have $20k, $30k or $40k in debt, that you’ll ever get out of the hole earning $10 an hour?

Ya know what? This is, once again, a case of NO PLANNING. We’ve come to believe higher education is our right, and we can have it, damn the cost. We don’t even have to know what we want to be when we grow up. We can just graduate from high school and then head off to get an undergrad degree. We’ll figure it out as we go. The degree is the thing. That’ll mean a good paying job, and we’ll pay off the loan then. Maybe.

Maybe not.

If you want to be one of the dopes who graduates from university or college with a heap of debt and no clear direction, hey, who am I to try and stop you. It’s your right to be as big a dope as you want.

If you’ve decided that option sucks and you’re committed to doing it differently, then I have a series of articles for you to read.

So You Want to Go to College/University is first up, followed by How Much Debt CAN You Afford? Let’s face it. For some degrees - anything with the title Dr. in it, for example — you will graduate from school with the equivalent of a mortgage in student loan debt. That’s the reality. But there are plenty of people taking on more student loan debt than they will ever be able to afford to repay because they think it’s okay. Well, it’s not. The debt you leave school with affects your ability to have a life. 

What’s the alternative to debt? comes next. Yes, there are options. There are people who graduate from school without a ton of debt by working part time (hey, let’s hear from some of you guys), taking a year off to work, or living like the poor students they are while at school and until their debt has been repaid.

Managing Your Money for School includes two downloadable worksheets that you’ll find useful for dealing with your lump-sum money (loans, scholarships, savings from summer work) and expenses, as well as dealing with your monthly living expenses and how to keep them within reason. Download the suckers and USE THEM! If it looks like too much work, you’re probably wasting your money going to university or college since my dumb worksheets aren’t a patch on what some professors and teachers are going to ask you to do. 

But I’m in Debt. What now? offers suggestions for what to do if you’ve graduated from school with debt. 

I found an excellent article, Freshmen Survival Advice for Life that EVERY STUDENT going off to college or university should read. I could not have said it any better than Ruth Ann Raycroft, so take her advice.

TO MY AVID FANS: I want to get this out to as many people as I can. Send an email to all your friends and family who have kids in university or heading off within the next year, so they have some tools available. I was originally going to only do a blog and link to useful material… but it was sadly lacking. Hmmm. So now HERE are tools and information and we just have to tell two people, who will tell two people, and so on and so on and so on. Ready… set… GO!

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Okay, I’ve done it. A Woman of Independent Means has been updated, edited, uploaded…

and now it’s ready to be purchased. You asked for it, so BUY IT!

 

When I started this website a half-year ago, I promised I’d answer one of your questions every week. I’ve been inundated with questions, and have been responding to two a week. But there are times when I’ve got so many great questions that need to be answered, that I just take a couple of hours and fire-through them. Here’s what I have for you today.

rinkrat_hockeymom wrote:

One of my employers is not taking enough tax from my paycheck. I have been having an extra $50 a pay taken out to cover this since the beginning of the year. I was telling a friend about this, and he suggested it would be more beneficial to take that $50 and put it into an RRSP and I would get thed same result, plus be able to save my own money instead of lending it to the government for a year. Is he correct?

Not quite. While every dollar you put in your RRSP is not taxable, you’d have to put the entire income you’re earning from your second employer into an RRSP to achieve the result your friend is suggesting. I’m all for that… but I don’t think that’s what you’re trying to achieve. So you’re doing the right thing.

If you want to calculate your tax exactly, you can go to Taxtips for a really thorough calculator. If that one makes your head spin, here’s a simpler one that will give you a basic of idea of how much tax you should pay.

 

L from B.C. wrote:

I have just come into to some money — $35,000.00 — and I am wondering what I should do with this money. I currently don’t own my place (renting) and just finished paying off my line of credit ($25,000.00) at the bank as well as my credit card ($25,000.00). I have been working as a cashier for six months at $10.00 an hour. I am looking for a better paying job right now. Can you give me any advice for this $35,000.00. Should I invest this money or maybe put the money into an ING Direct account at 4.5%? I don’t think I am eligible for a mortgage just yet…?

I get a lot of notes like this with people asking for advice on what they should do with a lump of money that’s just fallen into their laps. I like to tell people to:

1. Take care of past mistakes,

2. Have some fun in the present, and

3. Plan for the future.

So, L, on the Take Care of Past Mistakes front, congrats on getting all that debt paid off! Wow! You’re one determined young woman. You’re in a much better place now and you should be very proud of your accomplishment.

On the Plan for the Future front, you’re right when you say you aren’t ready for a mortgage yet, particularly in your neck of the woods.  But you are ready to set up an emergency fund, start an RRSP, even with just a couple of thousand bucks, and begin building your downpayment. As for where to invest the money for your downpayment to grow, you’ll need a financial guide for that. Ask friends/family for a referral to their GREAT financial advisor. Don’t settle for anything less than GREAT!

Using a high-interest account is smart. Making sure you know what you want to accomplish with the money is smart too. So ask yourself what’s important to you and by when you’d like to achieve that goal. Plan from there.

As for my number 2 point: have some fun in the present, don’t go nuts, but take some of your money and treat yourself and someone you love to a Nicey: Dinner out, a fun weekend of movies, a new piece of furniture you’ve been wanting, or a lovely new dress. Or you could decide to set up a Mad Money Account, putting $500 or $600 aside that you can spend on anything you want whenever you want, just for the hell of it.  Have a ball.

 

On a similar theme, K wrote:

I have an inheritance if 60,000 and wondered if I should double up on my mortgage payments each week (that is the maximum allowed) or wait put the money in a high interest account until the mortgage is up for renewal this December 2008 to bay off a chunk of the 120,000 principle?

The faster you put the money to work against the mortgage, the more you’ll save in interest. And any interest you earn is taxable, but the interest you save is not. So double-up and then use whatever is left to make the principal pre-payment at the end.

 

Carman wrote:

What is your opinion for a person to use RRSP savings to pay down debt? We have enough RRSP savings to pay off our debt (excluding Mortgage). Thanks for all you teach on your show, I think everyone could learn something.

I’ve answered this one before, but I’m going to answer it one last time since I get this question every week. Really.

The answer is: DON’T DO IT! I know there are some people who say this is a good idea, but it’s a terrible idea. A really terrible idea. First, there’s the tax you’ll end up paying on the withdrawal from the RRSP, and then there’s the tax you’ll owe because the amount withheld won’t have been enough.

If you’re determined to get rid of your debt, then you’re going to have to bite the bullet, tighten your belt and put your shoulder to the grindstone. If that’s not enough metaphors for you, I have plenty more!

 

T wrote:

hi gail i watch your show all the time and i was just wondering i am 17 and still going to school and planning to go to university soon i am extremely good with money and saving and i have about 7000.00 in my bank account right now. would u recommand when i turn 18 to get a credit card and always pay it off in order to get my credit rating started. i would never spend more than what i have or even come close to spending all i got so i dont think it wud be a problem but just asking for ur advice.

T, if you swear on your Mom’s head that you’ll never spend more money than you have, then I say getting a credit card to build a credit history is a good idea. I’ve seen a lot of kids (and elders) start out with the best intentions and then fall into the carrying-a-balance trap. But if you promise not to be one of the dopes, then I’d say go for the card, Bud, and build yourself a fabulous financial history.

 

Sarah wrote:

My husband and I love your show - yes I said both of us - you’ve got us talking about our finances - YAY! Our question is in regards to student loan debt. I’m in the process of finishing my PhD and my husband and I each have 3 degrees. Our combined students debt is $62,000 (not bad considering) and we have a new mortgage of $120,000. So many of our friends have just followed the plan offered by the bank/government - but 12 years to pay it off??  We gross $76K a year but we’re going to be starting a family soon and our plan right now was to add $200/month as a prepayment to our mortgage. What do you suggest - balance pre-payments and extra student loan payments? Should we make one a priority over the other (student loan interest is prime +1, mortgage 6.3 locked for 10 years)?  We would really appreciate your advice - the bank always says “follow the plan, then you have more disposable income” - yes and they make more money in interest! love your show and your kick-butt attitude.

Ah, yes, there are those Pesky Bankers again, telling you to keep more disposable income so they can rake in more interest. Hmmm. Is it any wonder Canadian’s don’t trust their advisors?

Sarah, leave your mortgage payments as they are, and use all your extra money to pay off your student loans, which is your more expensive debt. Once that is paid off, you can balance mortgage prepayment with long-term saving. As for starting a fam soon, have a great time with that. And while you’re preggers, live on the one income you’ll have during your mat leave so that you

a) get used to having a smaller income, and

b) have a nice pool of savings set aside for when baby gets here.

 

Kerry wrote:

I am a 21 year old full time worker. I graduated with a 2-year diploma in Bus Adm (major accounting) and have taking Intro to Financial Planning as well. After graduating from college with WAY MORE DEBT than I ever imagined from 2 years of school, I have got myself back on track by my own means and would like to offer a credit/debt counseling service outside of my full time job (which I love). I want to educate people before they make the same mistakes I did, and/or repair the mistakes already made. Only problem I have found in my plan is, how do you charge a fee when your clients are already living paycheque to paycheque? PS your show and outstanding way of making the obvious PAINFULLY obvious has changed my life and influenced my (hopefully!) future career path immensely!

Hey, Kerry, that’s a darned good question. Some people who work in debt management affiliate themselves with a company that will allow them to do debt-counseling. Credit counselors, for example, are often not-for-profit organizations that help clients consolidate their debt and set-up repayment plans. And I do know of at least one private company that builds their fee into the “consolidation” loan. You might want to look at that as an option.

So, all you debtors out there, what would you be willing to pay to have someone dig you out of a hole, and how would you come up with the moolah?

 

Mercedes wrote:

I am a 24 year old university student living on my own and paying all of my bills yet have still managed to save about 15000.00 in the past 2 years. I have no debts and am wondering what to do with this money to make it grow for the future. I feel as though it’s just sitting there. How much should I set aside for a rainy day/emergency fund? Thanks!

Okay, all you student debtors who tell me you can’t possibly save any money while going to school, heads up to this.

Mercedes, you are a shining light. Congrats!

As to what to do with the money, set side at least $5,000 in a high interest account for emergencies. Ultimately, you want to have 3-6 months’ worth of living expenses covered. As for the rest, it’s time to learn to invest. Read about investing. Choose a couple you think might work for you and watch them for a while to develop a comfort level. When you think you’re ready, take the plunge. Don’t be too aggressive too quickly. And never invest in anything you can pronounce or don’t understand.

 

Carrie wrote:

I am currently on mat leave with 2nd baby. We figured out if I return to work I will be contributing 2/3 of my take home pay to working expenses and only contributing 1/3 of my take home pay to the household. Does this make it worthwhile for me to return to work? Or is the smart thing to try to find a part time job to make up the money we are short? Or, with only about 6 years left on our mortgage, should we reduce our mortgage payments in order to live, until I can return full time in about 5 years?

You seem like a clear-thinking girl. You’ve certainly outlined your options well. Here are my answers

Does this make it worthwhile for me to return to work? Yes, if you need the 1/3 to make ends meet.

Or is the smart thing to try to find a part time job to make up the money we are short? Really? This is a question? Work less to make the same? Where’s the question?

Or, with only about 6 years left on our mortgage, should we reduce our mortgage payments in order to live, until I can return full time in about 5 years? This, too, is an option, if you’re prepared for the extra interest cost over the life of the mortgage. You don’t say how old you are, but how old could you be with a second baby just here? So you have lots of time to get this mortgage paid off.

Now, the question is, what do YOU think you should do?

 

S wrote:

I work part time as a nurse, so I actually bring home more money per hour with my liue of benefits. Is it better for me to work full time and “bring home” less money, but have job security, sick time and vacation? I am 41 married with two school age children. Thanks and I love your show-your sense of humour really makes it!

It’s hard to answer this question when I don’t know how much less you’d be bringing home, or how that would impact your cash flow. Assuming you don’t NEED the extra for essentials, then the security of full-time with benefits would be a huge blessing, particularly with young kids. However, if the extra money you’re bringing in is essential to your budget, then maybe not. What do you think?

 

Erin wrote

On your show, you give your clients an “office in a box” with all kinds of file folders and coloured tabs. I tried making my own and it doesn’t look as nearly detailed or full as yours. What categories do you have in your box?

Go read 12 Steps to Getting Financially Organized and the blog Paper Chase.

 

For Lynn who wrote:

How long should you keep your paperwork, such as bill statements, payments and income tax forms

Ditto

 

A wrote:

If I have a defined benefit pension plan with my employer, do I really need to contribute to an RRSP? Also, how do I figure out my “tax bracket” as I am planning to withdraw $10,000 from my RRSP to pay down debt - if the withholding tax is 30% then how do I estimate the additional tax I will pay next April - my gross income is about $60,000…

A, you likely don’t need an RRSP if you have a defined benefit plan. I’d be very surprised if you have much contribution room at all. If you do, then I would use it up, but not break your neck to do so. As for writhdrawing money from your RRSP to pay off debt: DON’T DO IT!

 

Tammy wrote:

I have 2 children: a son who is 20 and has finished 3 years of university and a daughter 19 who has finished 1 year of college. We have paid for the tuition and book for the 3 years for my son and paid the 1st year of college for my daughter and have enough to pay for her 2nd year, her course is 2 years long. I do not want my kids to finish school and owe money but my husband and I find that most of our money goes to the kids and there is none left over for us. We have been putting a lot of things for them on our line of credit and it just keeps going up, I know I need to stop but I don’t want to see them acquire any debt but I just feel that my husband and I are sinking further and further into debt and we have been arguing over the money spend on the kids. If you any suggestions on how we can work this out I would really appreciate it.

It’s nice that you don’t want your kids to graduate with debt, but you’re accumulating debt and that’s no good either. I hope your kids are contributing to their own education. If they are not, that’s the first place to start. There is no such thing as a free ride in life, and 19 and 20 are plenty old enough to start dealing with life’s realities. Help your kids. That’ great. Don’t do yourself damage in the process. That’s dumb!

 

Victoria wrote:

Hello. Congratulations with the show. I have been watching it daily for some time now. I have put my husband on a $200 a month budget. This money includes his gas and extra spending. We have been using the jars for three weeks now. So far so good. I am currently on maternity leave and working one day a week that I am allowed. I am making $430 every two weeks. I am trying to save this for our vacation at Christmas. Do you think it would be better to put this money onto the line of credit and then take it back out when we need it? Also, we just did a balance transfer on our one credit card. We have an interest rate of 1.9% until November. Should we penny pinch and put every last cent on it so it is paid off by then? Thanks so much and keep up the great work.

First the credit card question: Absolutely pinch every penny so the card is paid off before your great rate expires in November.

Now the line of credit question: Yes you should put it to the line first, and then take it back off when you need to, to minimize your interest costs. But I don’t think a fam on mat leave with a balance outstanding on their line of credit should be prioritizing a holiday over debt repayment. Once you return to work full time, I can see saving the money for a holiday. But while you’re living on a reduced income, and have debt, your focus should be on getting out of the red.

Are you sorry you asked?

 

M wrote:

My husband says that it’s not smart to start a RRSP because I owe $50,000 in student loans, which I am paying the minimum right now. I work part time as a RN and I have 2 kids. I’m 38 years old and I feel that I have to get started. What should I do?

You should get started, you’re right. But your husband is right too. Since you’re only working part time, your marginal tax rate isn’t high, and paying only the minimum on a $50K student loan is stupid. You’ll pay way too much in interest. So:

1. Up your student loan repayment amount to an amount that’ll have you debt free in five years or less, and

2. Start contributing $200 a month to an RRSP.

If you don’t have enough to do both, you’re going to have to find a way to make more money.

 

S wrote:

I would like to know if there is a way to save money on a disability pension.

I’m surprised by how often I get this (or a similar) question. There are a lot of people out there trying to make do on disability income, which should be a heads-up for all the people who don’t yet have disability insurance. As for this question, the answer is quite simple: If you have extra money after all your basic needs are met, you can save some. If you don’t, you can’t.

I’m sorry that there seem to be so many people living a marginal life on less income than they need. It’s a tough haul and you have my admiration for making a go of it.

 

Another M wrote:

My wife and I are a one-income family and even with a very tight budget our expenses are always more than our costs every month. I have mentioned taking some of the equity from our home (either re-mortgaging or a straight loan) to ease some of the expenses until my wife gets back to work. So, I was wondering, is it ever a good idea to take a home equity loan?

You don’t say why your wife is off work, or how long it may be until she’s fully employed again, and that affects the answer. If this is a short-term thing, then I’d say do the refinance and un-strap your budget. If it’s a long-term thing, you may have to sell your home to make it through. Good luck.

 

Karen wrote:

My relationship with my boyfriend of 8 years is strained to say the least because of this debt and not knowing how to budget. We have thought of calling it quits. I think the icing on the cake was when I was offered a job but would have to take a 14k cut in pay for 2 years from what I am making now, but then would make over 100k a year after that. I had to turn it down because each month I am going further and further into debt AND with a 14k a year cut in that!??! How would I make ends meet? Help! Please point me in the right direction.

I don’t often say this, but are you sure you’re in the right relationship? After all, is this the way you want to spend the rest of your life: giving up your hopes and dreams because your partner can’t get outside himself long enough to stop going into debt for crap? If you’re determined to stay in the relationship, then I’d separate the money - yes, you heard me say “separate the money” - and make the Boy Man responsible for himself. If he can’t do it, then either reconcile yourself to a life of misery with him, or get the hell out!

 

RC wrote:

What is the best way to invest money that I am intending to use toward the purchase of a home/condo, in one years’ time. I would be a first time buyer.

Since your time horizon is very short, you need to stick with something that has no volatility at all. Go with a term deposit, GIC, high-interest savings account… wherever you can get the best rate for one year.

 

Carol wrote:

I am 55 years old and will retire at age 64 with a good Omers Hydro pension. I was a single mother raising 3 children for most of their lives, so savings and retirement planning were not a priority. However, as my children are now grown I have more disposable income. Is it too late to start RSP’s or should I concentrate on paying off my mortgage?

Since you’re over 50 and have a good pension, I’d focus on paying off that mortgage so you’re retiring mortgage free. If you still have money left over, you can take me out for dinner.

 

Cynthia wrote:

I watch your show all the time and I noticed that you always talk in terms of household income and don’t discuss the differences in the amount each person makes. My boyfriend and I recently purchased a home, but we still have totally seperate finances, we live like roommates, simply splitting the common expenses in half and then we each pay our own credit cards etc. I would like us to be a more equal partnership, but he still thinks in terms of “your money” and “my money.” Is there a proper way to start combining finances?

Girl, you and your honey need to get on the same page. Go and read To Consolidate or Not to Consolidate and So You’re Getting Married even if you’re not.

 

Brett wrote:

My wife and I have recently realized that our parents are in rough financial shape, planning on relying solely on a single pension in retirement (no RRSPS). How can we approach them to talk about it and get them doing something about it? We feel as if we will be burdened by our parents within the next 15 years, and need help to get this situation under control!

Sorry Brett, it might already be too late if they have not been planning and are pretty close to retirement, with not enough money. Do they have assets they can liquidate to provide an income? Can they move to a less expensive community to cut costs? In terms of just approaching them about the issue, read Aging Parents: Talking about the Money. 

 

Okay, that’s it. My brain is mush and my fingers are cold from the breeze created as they’re flying across the keyboard! Ha! 

 

BTW: I’m planning to put up a series of articles on home buying. Are there any special topics y’all want me to cover? Speak now.

I wanted to remind y’all that I’m heading off to sunny Italy on Saturday. JD, my fabulous webmaster, will be posting blogs and Q&As for me, but I won’t be around m’self, so be patient. 

 

I also wanted to let y’all know that I’ll be hosting the Moonlight Over Monaco Gala Dinner and Dance in support of the Northumberland Services for Women capital campaign. The gig is on April 12, 2008, at the Cobourg Best Western, and tickets are $125 per person.  Call 905-372-7056 x 221 for more information. 

 

I meet a lot of people who feel buried by their student loans. After going to school for years and racking up thousands, tens of thousands, and even hundreds of thousands in student debt, the time for repayment rolls around and they just can’t cope.

I have to tell you that I scratch my head sometimes at how people justify taking on humongous amounts of student debt in the name of “getting an education.” I’ve worked with couples who have accumulated upwards of $50,000 in student debt, only to graduate and get a job paying $25,000 a year. Did they really think they were going to be able to have a life, pay off that debt and plan for the future with that kind of burden? When they were watching their debt grow to massive proportions, did it not occur to them that maybe this wasn’t such a good idea?

What’s the alternative? Well, I’ve also met quite a few people who are proud to brag that they got a great education, paying the way themselves, without creating a debt-hole for themselves. So, the question is, what did they do differently?

They worked hard. Not only during their winter and summer breaks, but all year long.

They applied for scholarships and bursaries. Tons of money goes unused because people are too lazy to look for it. They took their time. Taking a work-period between and undergrad degree and whatever comes next makes great sense if, when you’re done, you’re not buried in debt. They lived on a budget. Need I say more?

So I got a letter (lots of letters, actually) asking about student loans and bankruptcy and I’m happy to report some news.

In December 2007, it was announced that Bill C-12 - an Act to amend the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act, among other things, has received Royal Assent. No one is sure just when the new rules will come into effect, but under these new rules, student loan debt will be eligible for discharge if seven years have passed since the student terminated studies. In cases of undue hardship, a ex-student may apply to the Court to obtain a discharge of student loans after five years. As long as the Court is satisfied that the debtor has acted in good faith and is expected to continue to experience financial difficulties, this application could succeed.

The single best website I’ve found for bankruptcy issues in Canada is BankruptcyCanada.com. You can find information by region - bankruptcy rules differ from province to province - and you can locate a bankruptcy trustee. Try the Personal Bankruptcy Predictor to see just how close you are, if you think bankruptcy may be an option.

I will say that just as with every other financial area, not all Trustees are reputable. You should check references, or, better yet, ask for a referral from someone you know. Of course, that would mean talking about the fact that you’re walking the line, and that takes a certain amount of guts. 

I’ve started a small whirlwind on the site by reporting that federal/provincial student loan debt is not reported on credit histories. I might be wrong. Gawd! Say it ain’t so! 

I was told that federal and provincial student loans were not reported on credit histories. That only applied to federal/provincial guaranteed loans — not to private student loans offered through financial institutions, or to loans where federal/provincial student loans have been consolidated. And I’ve seen dozens of credit reports that do not contain information about federal/provincial student loan debt — not even when those loans have gone into default! Go figure.

But Blaine has. As a watchful monitor of my site — and former lender — Blaine says that he’s seen reporting on federal/provincial student loans in Canada.  He says:

I was a lender for over 6 years and I can tell you that they certainly do appear - at least Transunion tracks them for sure. Also, MANY of them were showing R5’s in their history too. Beware - the government student loan centre is notorious for losing paperwork for interest relief and payment setup.

 

  So I’m looking deeper. Here’s what the Coalition for Student Loan Fairness says: 

Once your student loan goes into repayment (whether it is a provincial, federal, or integrated loan), it is reported to each of the major credit bureaus monthly.   

 Canlearn.ca says:

Should you default on your loan, the NSLSC, your financial institution and the Government of Canada or Ontario will take steps to recover the debt, which may include reporting you to a credit agency, using a private collection company, and/or taking legal action.   

Comments on canadastudentdebt.ca seem to reinforce what I was told about non-reporting of student loans. However, once again, the non-reporting seems to be sparodic at best, and punitive at worst.  So while some people have experienced the non-reporting of their student loan repayments, it isn’t consistent. And while some credit reporting agencies seemingly do not show student loans on their credit reports — particularly those ordered online — this, too, is inconsistent.

I officially take back everything I’ve said about student loan reporting and am now working with the rule: All debt is reportable.